Curse

Enchanted Warrior · Apr 06, 2009, 08:32 PM // 20:32

Gwen is setup as follows.

[Gwen;OQBEAbkCOIcQP74EKksyTA]

Template critiques aside, how can a curses necro (player) best capitalize on on her use of Epidemic. Rotting flesh is my thought, but it can take a while to cast (even with Modti's dep staff and the double 1/2 casting time mods)

Side note: Why does it say pvp build? I never pvp. does this mean there is a pvp altered skill?

Nightow · Apr 06, 2009, 08:42 PM // 20:42

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Originally Posted by Enchanted Warrior

Gwen is setup as follows.

Side note: Why does it say pvp build? I never pvp. does this mean there is a pvp altered skill?

Energy Drain has a PvE version. The stickied guide in campfire should show you how to put it in as the PvE version.

Enchanted Warrior · Apr 06, 2009, 08:48 PM // 20:48

Thanks Nightow, will give it a look.

MisterB · Apr 06, 2009, 08:51 PM // 20:51

[Energy Drain (PVE)]

[Gwen pve;OQBEAbkCOIcQP74EKksyTA]

Eragon Zarroc · Apr 06, 2009, 09:29 PM // 21:29

[enfeeble] for widespread weakness, [rip enchantment] for bleeding, [plague sending] to use their conditions against them, [weaken armor] for widespread cracked armor. All curses attribute. I suggest [enfeeble]+[weaken armor] ;-) long durations, softens their armor, softens their dmg output. Use other curse hex skills for widespread pressure degen.

Enchanted Warrior · Apr 06, 2009, 09:45 PM // 21:45

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Originally Posted by Eragon Zarroc

Use other curse hex skills for widespread pressure degen.

Good job, I do use WA, and Enfeeble. I'm thinking Suffering would be good to add as it's already an aoe.

*goes off to buy skills lol*

Update: My first pass at template based on Eragon's suggestions. With runes etc, my curses is 15. And I use Modti's Dep as my staff.

[necro;OANCY8xkMBpIN5uzngdAbA/C]

Marth Reynolds · Apr 06, 2009, 10:07 PM // 22:07

If you're bringing gwen along and you run those conditions yourself you can consider using [Fevered Dreams] alongside [Epidemic] not to sure how heroes use it tough, i just used myself mostly and it's nice for spreading the conditions better.

For the Necro build, if you wanna use [Plague Sending] there's 1 skill wich makes it a ton better [Foul Feast].
Personally i wanna try and get [Contagion] in one of these set ups but it just doesn't seem to be worth it :/

Eragon Zarroc · Apr 06, 2009, 10:19 PM // 22:19

i would replace [light of deldrimor][i am unstoppable][wail of doom] for [lingering curse][well of silence][necrosis] u shouldn't be in the middle of mobs, so LoD and IAU don't seem too useful. wail doesn't last enough to be effective beyond quick spikes and it seems ur aiming more for pressure. between the well, lingering, and suffering, u should be able to keep 5-8 pips degen going steady. and i would definitely follow marth's suggestion for taking [fevered dreams] with [epidemic] pwnage ;-) but be sure to give gwen something else for e-management since she won't have e-drain. i'd take out [signet of weariness] because energy denial on monsters is a lost cause ;-)

zelgadissan · Apr 06, 2009, 10:32 PM // 22:32

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Originally Posted by Enchanted Warrior

how can a curses necro (player) best capitalize on on her use of Epidemic. Rotting flesh is my thought

Just so you know, Disease (therefore Rotting Flesh) spreads to any nearby enemy of the same kind, while Epidemic's range of adjacent is smaller. Epidemic would be pointless for only Disease, especially when the mobs with multiple species in it are very few and far between.

That's really all I can say since you said to ignore Gwen's template

Enchanted Warrior · Apr 06, 2009, 10:48 PM // 22:48

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Originally Posted by zelgadissan

Just so you know, Disease (therefore Rotting Flesh) spreads to any nearby enemy of the same kind, while Epidemic's range of adjacent is smaller. Epidemic would be pointless for only Disease, especially when the mobs with multiple species in it are very few and far between.

That's really all I can say since you said to ignore Gwen's template

Thanks LOL I've seen too many threads degrade into flame wars over templates.

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Originally Posted by Eragon Zarroc

i would replace [light of deldrimor][i am unstoppable][wail of doom] for [lingering curse][well of silence][necrosis] u shouldn't be in the middle of mobs, so LoD and IAU don't seem too useful. wail doesn't last enough to be effective beyond quick spikes and it seems ur aiming more for pressure. between the well, lingering, and suffering, u should be able to keep 5-8 pips degen going steady. and i would definitely follow marth's suggestion for taking [fevered dreams] with [epidemic] pwnage ;-) but be sure to give gwen something else for e-management since she won't have e-drain. i'd take out [signet of weariness] because energy denial on monsters is a lost cause ;-)

I have LOD for the +70 holy it does and finding treasure etc, in dungeons, and lately Necros seem to have a bullseye on them, (but I'll take the heat if it means no more necro nerfs lol). But I see your point.

I'm going to try this:
[necro;OANCY8xkMBf2N4uzngdAbgjA]

Will [Enfeebling Blood] work as good or better than [Enfeeble]?

Chthon · Apr 07, 2009, 01:25 AM // 01:25

Uhh...

1. Disease automatically infects adjacent foes, so Epidemic is worthless for it.

2. Enfeebling Blood has a far bigger AoE ranger than Epidemic, so Epidemic is worthless for weakness. (Yes, EB is much better then Enfeeble.)

3. Weaken Armor has an AoE range equal to Epidemic, so Epidemic is worthless for it.

4. Bleeding is so weak it's not worth spreading around.

5. If you really want to spread conditions, use Extend Conditions. In that case, for a hero I'd suggest a Me/E with EC, Glyph of Immolation, Steam, Phantom Pain, and Drain Delusions for starters. That way the hero produces their own AoE blind, deep wound, and burning. For your build, go to the PvE skills for cripple (YMLAD) and dazed (Technobabble).

Enchanted Warrior · Apr 07, 2009, 03:14 AM // 03:14

Is there any correlation between [Mark of Rodgort] and hexes of some sort? Whereas having your Ele/* hero use MOR, helps a necro somewhow? i.e "already suffering from a hex..."

Enchanted Warrior · Apr 07, 2009, 03:17 AM // 03:17

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Originally Posted by Chthon

Uhh...

1. Disease automatically infects adjacent foes, so Epidemic is worthless for it.

2. Enfeebling Blood has a far bigger AoE ranger than Epidemic, so Epidemic is worthless for weakness. (Yes, EB is much better then Enfeeble.)

3. Weaken Armor has an AoE range equal to Epidemic, so Epidemic is worthless for it.

4. Bleeding is so weak it's not worth spreading around.

5. If you really want to spread conditions, use Extend Conditions. In that case, for a hero I'd suggest a Me/E with EC, Glyph of Immolation, Steam, Phantom Pain, and Drain Delusions for starters. That way the hero produces their own AoE blind, deep wound, and burning. For your build, go to the PvE skills for cripple (YMLAD) and dazed (Technobabble).

EC? YMLAD? Sorry not up on all the acronyms.

Paul Dawg · Apr 07, 2009, 03:56 AM // 03:56

EC and YMLAD are [extend conditions] and ["you move like a dwarf!"].

In my experience, heroes are kinda crappy at using [epidemic].